Thursday, October 9, 2008

I praise you...I thank you..

I've titled this post I praise you..my I thank you... because this is technically my only prayer when I pray. I'm not very religious. Fortunately, sometimes, and unfortunately when I'm in trouble. Lately, when I read about conversion issues in India and the lives lost over religious conversion, I'm appalled and understand the pain of conversion or the pain of not converting. Some of my friends are passionate for, and about Hindus converting to Christianity. They feel it is missionary work - the reformation of poor tribal communities. Fair enough. However, reform does not remain reform with some missionaries. They *do* try to convert these tribals into communities believing in Christ. Nothing wrong, of course, in believing in Christ. I believe in God, and not in a particular God or religion. For me, its just faith in a power stronger than me. It could very well be my own inner strength. Having said this, I oppose the missionaries trying to convert poor Hindu tribals into Christianity. If reform is the objective here, Jesus' word is not the most important thing. Am sure there are other ways to educate poor tribal communities. I know this is going to cause a controversy among some of my readers. Please know that I'm no RSS/VHP/BD or any sort of religious activist. One needs to have deep passion and thorough understanding of the religion they are fighting for, and I lack that. Or even the interest to learn about religion.

Being brought up in cosmopolitan Bangalore, my first brush with any sort of religion and conversion issues came with studying in a Catholic convent. I was in Class 5 when we started learning Hindi in school ( my Hindi is excellent, btw). Our teacher was a Ms. A. In all Catholic schools, every week, on a particular day (Thursday in my school), a prominent girl from the school choir or the student council (co-incidental in my school) came to take all the Catholic girls out of class for 'something.' At 10 years, I wanted to be a Catholic. No one ever called me out in the middle of the class. Soon after, something called Miracle classes was held in our school. Ms. A held those classes. Only students from Class 5 onwards could go for these classes. Initially, it was only for Catholic students. However, she soon announced that anyone could come for these classes. Note that these classes were not the reason why Catholic students were called off classes. They went to the Chapel. These Miracle classes were held every Thursday at 4 PM, after school. I stayed back and even told my parents about it. My parents did not have any problems with it, frankly. My mom has had a Catholic school upbringing and prays in similar words as me (hers is more elaborate, I admit :)) No one said or noticed anything for a long time. I even prayed everyday with this prayer: I praise you Jesus, I thank you Jesus. My dad was initially upset when he heard this. He spoke to my mom and they both told me in a very reasonable tone about how Jesus wasn't the only God. No, they did not ask me not to pray to Jesus. They just wanted to make sure I knew about other Gods that they believed in. I did not say much except for nodding. However, things were taking a new turn in my Miracle classes. It sort of started seeming cultish, now that I think of it. Ms. A told us stories of how there was a man trapped on an island without food or water after committing a sin. He finally figured that God'd help him, and he called out to his Gods (He had a Hindu name in the story). However, no amount of faith in his God helped him. He tried Allah and Allah did not respond either. As a last resort, he prayed to Jesus Christ and soon, he was helped by a ship which came near the island magically. At 10 years of age, I loved stories. I took all this too heart. I heard more such stories. More radical than the one mentioned here. Every time, Jesus Christ seemed to be the answer. Before our Mid-term exams, she said chanting of 'I praise you Jesus, I thank you Jesus' will help. I did chant that. I prayed every night chanting this, before going to bed. I bought Infant Jesus cards (am not sure they are called that) and prayed for something. My parents did not say anything much. My mom also took me to Church once to buy an Infant Jesus card. They were very tolerant, I must say. They patiently tried to explain to me that our God was possibly different and that I should be open to learning about our Gods too. I did try. However, if I believed in any power, it was Jesus Christ. Every time I passed a church while driving or walking on a road, I'd pray and say Amen. I never did that when passing a temple or a mosque because I thought they were not Gods who helped people.

My father is not a patient man. Once, he lost his temper over something, some rule I'd broken. He scolded me. I refused to say sorry and I looked at him in the eye and refused to follow the rule because I did not think it was right. ( It was something very trivial) He got angrier as I looked at him and said that as long as I do the right thing that my conscience says, my Jesus will protect me. He lost it finally and screamed at me and even raised his hand. I did not cower. My words became feverish, and I started saying: I praise you Jesus, I thank you Jesus. My parents were shocked. My mom asked me why I said that because we weren't that religious a family!! I said Jesus Christ was going to protect me from Appa. My parents complained to my school, however, my principal mentioned that I could stay away from that class. My parents knew that I was way into Christianity, and into believing that Hinduism and Islam was not going to do anything to help me in trouble. And that I'd attend that class for sure. So, they changed schools for me.

Today, when I think about it, I thank my parents for taking matters in their hands and thinking wisely about it. They did not once say Jesus Christ was the wrong God to pray to. They wanted me to be more open. My parents are highly tolerant people. I've been to the local mosque several times as a kid to get that charm everytime I fell sick because my servant told me it worked. My parents never objected. When I was in Class 4, my class prayed for something or someone who was ill, and our teacher asked us to buy Infant Jesus cards, my parents did not object. Even at home, they believed in God, but never forced us to pray or create a fuss about religion. Yes, my father is a staunch Hindu and supports the RSS for the kind of discipline they have. The old RSS. He does not condone the recent activities of the RSS or other similar organizations. I'm extremely tolerant myself. I did not lose patience or feel hurt even when someone called my close friend and me: Tam Brahm b****. We were called TBB by a woman who we were supporting when she accused some guy of sexual harassment. We told her she could always come and talk to us if need be whenever she felt like it. Her response was: I would not talk to TBB like you guys. She called herself a Dalit. I dunno and I do not care if she was one or not. In fact, back in college, my friends and I were considered 'elite' because we did not support reservation and did not approve of some provocative activities of the student Dalit wing. See, I'm not against Dalits or any religion/caste. All I'm saying is, to each his/her own.

Being a Tam Brahm is not a privilege for me. I'm a regular human being and a woman like any other. I know that many will argue that I've had privileges thanks to my caste. And its probably true, unfortunately. But I'd like it not to be true going forward. Again, I know its easy for me to say this, as compared to people who've struggled thanks to their caste. But someone should forget somewhere to begin with. I haven't chosen friends who are from the same caste as me, or even ask any of my friends what caste they belong to. I have several friends from various castes, religions, strata of the society. I'm Nandini for them. A human being and a woman. Being a feminist, I know that women's issues are unfortunately lost in the caste system. I'm harassed inspite of being a Hindu or any caste that I may belong to. I've lived with tribal Christians and have even celebrated Christmas at their church. Nothing really matters ultimately, and it should not!

Coming back to religious conversions, I'm against it unless the individual himself or herself is for it. In the case of poor tribals, they are uneducated and for the promise of a better life, they convert to Christianity. I'm not really sure how the quality of life improves when you convert to any religion from any other. Under the Indian Constitution, all religions are equal. Yes, there are reservations, but really, that is not my point here. No one is converting anyone without their consent, they say. But when you think of what happened to someone like me, then you can imagine the poor tribals and their kids. I was at the point of converting. I was 10, and I told my dad that his Gods are useless. Believe me, I was told this in class. Ms. A pointed out in every story about how 'other' Gods ( she did use Rama and Allah as names for the 'other' Gods) never helped a man in trouble. Her stories were amazing. She was a beautiful story-teller and created these torturous scenes playing in our minds. I'd think day and night of those starving children or those people trapped in a cave who were rescued by Jesus Christ. I came from an educated family and I studied in a mainstream school, mind you. If one woman could create such havoc in my mind and life when I was 10, I can imagine what a set of missionaries may do in poverty-stricken people's minds. I'm all for missionary reform. They've done some great work, but seriously, I wish they'd stop talking of how Jesus is the cause of any change happening in the world. I know they do, because I was possibly part of some sub conscious conversion attempts.

See, religion and caste may have mattered for my parents and their parents. It should not matter for my generation. I've learned that the hard way. I was depressed when I joined my new school. I hated it. I hated going to the temple with my parents, I hated the Gods in my house. I lost faith. I prayed for days together to Jesus Christ. But really, all that Jesus Christ seems to have taught me was that he/she liked to be referred to as God, and that my parents just saw him differently from what Ms. A saw him. Today, I say: Praise you God, Thank you God. The prayer remains the same, and I feel better saying this. Because faith matters to me, and doing the right thing matters to me. And that is what matters to Rama or Allah or Jesus Christ, I've realized.u

(P.S. - I know this is very idealistic, and many of you may scoff at me for being such an idealistic person. However, I truly believe in what I've said)

19 comments:

Macabreday said...

i have always been a pluralist.. and always will be...and i find it hard to believe that u cannot be a pluralist while living in a country like India...!!
i too always went to xian schools and institutions... and i had zero exposure to other religions and their Gods.... in a way i was shielded....!! it kind of had the reverse effect and the more i was held back, the more i began to explore... and through my own process of exploring, i have come to realize on my own that all these roads take you to the same place, and to this day, it irritates me when either my friends or anyone from my family insist that there is only one way.........!!

Ranjani said...

That post struck a chord...I went to a convent during elementary school, and faithfully prayed at the huge church ever morning, and was mortified when my mom told me we were not Christians! She was rather amused that I thought we were christian actually, and you're right, it is only now I can appreciate her tolerance towards other schools of thought and religion...

Ranjani said...

On a side note, is Atlanta finally growing on you? once you learn to not fight...it's not terrible!Let me know if you want to meet another foodie couple?

Anonymous said...

Religious conversion has always been an issue for many of us. Unfortunately, Hinduism espouses the caste system, and conversion appears to be the way out. But we all know its not. Our previous maid at home is not religious, but her mother converted to Christianity, her sister remained a Hindu. All three of them live in a slum, and all three of them are maids at various houses. So what is the difference, you might ask.

But then, the poor Christian children will, by reservation laws get into better schools/colleges, while the poor Hindu children wont. I too am an idealist, and believe that our society needs to get rid of reservations based on caste and religion (maybe not entirely and in one fell swoop, but gradually) but retain reservation and base it on economic strata.

We all know that the government gives tribals and other lower caste people a % of reservation in schools and colleges. But we also know that these opportunities do not reach the people that need them. But will things ever change?

It IS easy for us TBBs to talk. And I never know if we really do see sense, or if our priveleged brains make us think we see wisdom.

Anonymous said...

very nice post Nandini :)

Ram

www.themetamorphosisbegins.wordpress.com

Lavanya said...

School has a huge influence on your beliefs. I say that becasue I went to the mother of all tam-bram schools. We had sloka competitions, mass gita chanting, puranic story telling, vedic heritage classes, the works!

But the one difference that i noticed was that while there was a lot of all this going on, we weren't alienated from other faiths. We had christmas choir/nativity play (my sister played mary once) every year and YGP would tell us teh same story year about how Krishna and Jesus led similar lives , lol. But the influence remained. I believe in the same god my parents did.

Conversion is something I still can't understand. Faith is something that comes form within and cannot be drilled into anyone.

Reading this post (awesomeness, btw) I can see you owe quite a lot to your parents. That kind of tolerance is pretty rare. :)

Anonymous said...

I totally empathise with you. I was in a missionary school too upto 3rd std. and was brainwashed to the point that I was convinced Hindu gods were all false! But thanks to my parents and my grand parents, I changed schools and was redeemed! I was never reprimanded for taking the name of Jesus or nagging for Christmas stars & trees or putting up posters of the Virgin Mary, but was always laughed at. I was the butt of jokes for a long time until my Upanayanam after which I turned radical for a while. But it wasn't long before I realised how misled I was both when I was a kid and after my Upanayanam. I'm now a complete liberal. Ekam sadvipraah bahudha vadanti!

Anonymous said...

Very interesting post.

Conversion is not about reforming or education. It is pretty much about making a person seek Jesus so that they do not end up in hell. It is natural for anyone who believes so to try to "save" others as well. Right?

@cocunut chutney
> Conversion is something I still
> can't understand. Faith is
> something that comes form within
> and cannot be drilled into anyone.

I don't get your point.

What religious groups do is similar to advertising a product or political party. People are persuaded by an advertisement and purchase a product. Faith comes from within, in response to external messages and stimuli. Just like that decision to vote for a candidate comes from within, in response to various external events.

Am I wrong, or am I missing something?

Nandini Vishwanath said...

@Macabreday: We need more people like you, Mac, and I knew this even before this post :)

@Ranjani: See what I mean?! :) Hey, of course we can hook up. Email me, will ya?

@Cntrlaltdel: You know, I know! And yes, its easy. Its easy for me to say: let's forget everything.

@Ram: Hey, thanks :) Welcome here.

@Chutney: Totally man! And thanks :) Don't I know what PSBB is like? :D My kids are going to turn into staunch Hindus if not me!

@Sthit: Thank you. Just wish everyone was like you!

@Mssnlayam: Oh, I totally agree with you whn you say conversion has not much to do with education. All I'm saying is something like education and reform should not be used to make people convert to some other religion because the promise of a better life will surely convert them - like you said, faith is what converts thanks to external stimulus. Here, I'm arguing against that external stimulus. And it was an observation based on personal experience and therefore an opinion. See, I have nothing against Christians or conversion as such. I have everything against conversion with a promise of better life or without their consent. Welcome here :)

Cynic in Wonderland said...

thought provoking post nandini. you are right though. the conversion which is done as a brainwash is escapism and not conversion. and honestly i dont know how sustainable it is.

and somehow it defeats the whole purpose of religion and conversion - a bribe ( for that it is what it is) to adopt a new faith.

like you, have explored many faiths, and after doing that have come back to hinduism. not because i think it is better than the others, but because i think it matches my life philosophy.

Anonymous said...

nice post.. i know of the conversion thingy....

Arun Sundar said...

Have you seen 'Panjathanthram' movie? In one of the scenes in the movie, Devyani would say with mouth agape "Evlo periya mooooddiiiii". Like that, I felt like saying "Evlo periya posstttt" looking at the length of your post. Unlike me, I somehow read it fully!

And one of my friends while passing by a church' sunday choir, over-heard the speech about something like "Parisutha aaavi" and he asked me if we can make idli out of that aavi. I said "I dont know if we can make idli, but all I can say is they got some super-good equipment to sterilise it!"

Confounded-Lady said...

I thought that was the most honest post in recent times.

I'd like to pull quite a few lines and discuss why I agree strongly on what you said, except for the one one 'privileges' the TamBram guys enjoy. Whats that now again?
:)

I'm from TamilNadu, I don't know.

Your parents are awesome, for the way they handled the situation. I think parents can inculcate some sort of discipline, without doing it explicitly. Just like yours :)

For once I didnt skip any lines. :)I'm an impatient reader.

Nandini Vishwanath said...

@Cyn: Thanks :) Coming from you, that is a huge compliment. Ya, I've returned to the flock too.

@ Arun: Thanks for reading this long post. I always write long posts no? Says something about me :P and LOL @ your comment to your friend. Very you ;)

@ Rohini: hey, thanks :) Welcome here!

@ Confounded lady: Thanks, really. Situation for TBs outside of TN not at all bad. However, am talking in general. You know? I meant in terms of respect in society types, and of course, usually, and sometimes unfortunately, we have the money and the status and the education and what not.

Anonymous said...

a wonderful post.
this is the mindset that india needs. tolerant, indulgent:-), free from hatred and perfectly rational. No. u r not being idealist. u r being a realist.
i agree with every word in your post

Anonymous said...

This is an awesome post, and it is an eye-opener for me. Your parents are amazing, may they be blessed by the Almighty for their tolerance!

Only recently I've been coming to know of what these Christian institutions do-when it comes to preaching their religion. I now recollect the two year old grandson of my warden in the hostel who looked at a small picture of Hindu deity and said 'pei, pei'. I was shocked and sort of understood that it wouldnt have come from his mouth unless it was taught by someone else. I just kept it to myself and didnt tell any of my other friends who had a lot of respect for that lady.

I have a lot more to say about this, will do that in my next post!

Anonymous said...

Hi Nadini,

Good post, and like many others I did not skip even a single line.

You mentioned that you lived with "tribal Christians" I happen to know these tribal Christians roommates you are talking about. They are the most wonderful people I know and they totally love you. I'm just not sure about the term you used: "Tribal Christians" that sounds a lil derogatory to me.

Nandini Vishwanath said...

@ Anon: I'm sorry if that hurt. All I meant was that they do belong to various tribes and they are Christians. I purposely did not attribute the name of a State to them. The state they belong face different political issues. I love them as much as anyone else, and more importantly, I respect their faith, and what they do. I did not mean it any derogatory manner, and I'm sure they know what I mean. So, trust me, tribal Christians wasn't intended to be derogatory, and it was meant for emphasis on the fact that I did live with people who are considered 'tribal Christians,' and I did not find anything tough or wrong with anything they did or didn't.

I'd really like to know who this is simply because its easier and probably better to talk to someone you know. And in this case, I suspect you know me pretty well :) And if you know me as well as I think you do, you know that I hardly meant anything derogatory.

Raja said...

Brilliant post, Nandu.
Just brilliant.